So... the owner of Megaupload.com was arrested today and the website was shut down permanently by the federal government because more than $500 million pirated softwares/videos were link on that site.
What do you think about this action?
What is the point of stopping SOPA if they can already do this? SOPA or not, the federal government will always seem to find loop hole around it.
Million of users that uses Megaupload and Megavideo say that this action was unfair.
As stated on Rapidshare, Megaupload, Mediafire, and other file hosting service, they are not responsible what type of files that are uploaded onto their service because it is impossible to know what type of files are which. Some files can have different names which are impossible to track down. Megaupload seem to have the most illegal files so the federal government decided to shut it down and arrest the owner.
Was this a justify action?
Why is the federal government so concern about torrent/illegal sharing softwares? Lets face it... (not that I'm saying I am torrenting), torrent actually helps a lot of people. It can help students get software such as Adobe Photoshop and learn for free. I'm sure in the future when they can get a job, they will pay for the legit version.
I'm also pretty sure there are lot more crimes out there beside sharing illegal files... such as inside the federal government iteself where politicians are stealing millions of dollars from people.
The government is so corrupted... even people that are running for president... if they have money, they can run. In the government... it's not run by the average people of the United State, it is run by the most corrupted greed rich people that just wants more power.
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Megaupload was seized by the federal government
Started by Chiuy, Jan 19 2012 11:45 PM
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 10:05 AM
I think it's good for the government to crack down on piracy. I don't like SOPA and PIPA because of the means that they'd use to try to find pirated software and how they want to shut it down.
Let's say you were a software producer and someone was leaking your software online for free. You'd be losing millions of dollars and you wouldn't be happy about that. If you wanted to offer students free software or something you'd just make a student license, but since you created the software, it should be your decision who gets it.
I think it is the resoponsibility of file shairng sites to make sure they don't host pirated content. I think "we're too busy" or "it's too hard to moderate" aren't good excuses to keep pirated content online and think you won't get in trouble. If they were having problems with hosting pirated content, they should have shut themselves down for a week or so to go through and delete anything that might be suspected or being pirated content.
MegaUpload could have had a ToS for uploaders to agree to and MegaUpload could have went to sue people who they found were uploading pirated content. I don't think they did that.
I feel like the US government was fully justified in taking down a site that was distributing illegal content (just like you arrest someone who sells illegal drugs). I also feel like Megaupload could have done more to prevent pirated content from being shared (even if it was as darastic as only hosting small files unless the files are manually inspected.....there's always a way to make sure you're clean).
As for running for president, I don't think the "average American" has the abillity to be President. The people who run big businesses and are at that position because they were smart and hard-working and they rose up to that. The "average American" has thosands of dollars in credit card debt, has no idea about any foreign policy, and doesn't know how to represent all of the social classes in thr country.
Let's say you were a software producer and someone was leaking your software online for free. You'd be losing millions of dollars and you wouldn't be happy about that. If you wanted to offer students free software or something you'd just make a student license, but since you created the software, it should be your decision who gets it.
I think it is the resoponsibility of file shairng sites to make sure they don't host pirated content. I think "we're too busy" or "it's too hard to moderate" aren't good excuses to keep pirated content online and think you won't get in trouble. If they were having problems with hosting pirated content, they should have shut themselves down for a week or so to go through and delete anything that might be suspected or being pirated content.
MegaUpload could have had a ToS for uploaders to agree to and MegaUpload could have went to sue people who they found were uploading pirated content. I don't think they did that.
I feel like the US government was fully justified in taking down a site that was distributing illegal content (just like you arrest someone who sells illegal drugs). I also feel like Megaupload could have done more to prevent pirated content from being shared (even if it was as darastic as only hosting small files unless the files are manually inspected.....there's always a way to make sure you're clean).
As for running for president, I don't think the "average American" has the abillity to be President. The people who run big businesses and are at that position because they were smart and hard-working and they rose up to that. The "average American" has thosands of dollars in credit card debt, has no idea about any foreign policy, and doesn't know how to represent all of the social classes in thr country.
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 09:54 AM
Jamie Thomas shouldn't have downloaded the 24 songs illegally. People know that when they do stuff like this there's the risk that they'll get caught. If nobody is ever charged people will think that copyright laws are just a joke that doesn't get enforced.
The guy in the video assumes that all "25%" of people who have used MegaUpload have used it to download pirated software. What does that tell me? That tells me than 99% of the content on MegaUpload must have been copyrighted content that was being distributed illegally.
He also assumes that people who bought the premium sibscriptions must have been downloading pirated content. I say, if they were, excellent! It gives the government a great way to find them and charge them!
If the government took this great opportunity to find people and charge them, that anti-piracy message would spread very quickly and people would stop downloading illegally!
I stopped watching a 4 minutes
Ok so here's what I see happening: People are using their emotions to justify why they shouldn't be tracked down if they share or download pirated content. When people say, "But I'm just a college student" or "I'm a single mom" they're trying to appeal to people's emotions to justify whey they should be exempt from these laws.
The government is using reason to justify tracking people down and making them pay for their damages. There's a law --> A person breaks it ---> Therefore they should be punished.
It's all about emotion vs reason. What's the better way of knowing?
The emotion vs reason thing is the same concept behind debating whether women should be drafted into war, et cetera.
The guy in the video assumes that all "25%" of people who have used MegaUpload have used it to download pirated software. What does that tell me? That tells me than 99% of the content on MegaUpload must have been copyrighted content that was being distributed illegally.
He also assumes that people who bought the premium sibscriptions must have been downloading pirated content. I say, if they were, excellent! It gives the government a great way to find them and charge them!
If the government took this great opportunity to find people and charge them, that anti-piracy message would spread very quickly and people would stop downloading illegally!
I stopped watching a 4 minutes
Ok so here's what I see happening: People are using their emotions to justify why they shouldn't be tracked down if they share or download pirated content. When people say, "But I'm just a college student" or "I'm a single mom" they're trying to appeal to people's emotions to justify whey they should be exempt from these laws.
The government is using reason to justify tracking people down and making them pay for their damages. There's a law --> A person breaks it ---> Therefore they should be punished.
It's all about emotion vs reason. What's the better way of knowing?
The emotion vs reason thing is the same concept behind debating whether women should be drafted into war, et cetera.
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 06:53 PM
It's true that she shouldn't have downloaded the 24 songs but still... the fee is ridiculous and stupid. How do they expect her to pay $1.5 million for those songs? How about something more reasonable? Like... $500? I'm pretty sure $500 is already a lot and that she learned her lesson and still be able to live with her life, not completely destroy her.
The government is only doing this because we are in debt and they need money. In order to get out of debt, they need to screw more people up in order to achieve their goal.
Luckily... I stopped using Megaupload long time ago. I wonder if they still have my information, but I don't believe I have download anything illegal. Usually brush plugins from DeviantArt.
And to make this short... yes, I agree people should get punish, but not to the point where it destroy their entire life.
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The government is only doing this because we are in debt and they need money. In order to get out of debt, they need to screw more people up in order to achieve their goal.
Luckily... I stopped using Megaupload long time ago. I wonder if they still have my information, but I don't believe I have download anything illegal. Usually brush plugins from DeviantArt.
And to make this short... yes, I agree people should get punish, but not to the point where it destroy their entire life.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 07:22 PM
No, an ideal government preaches Law>Broken Law> Punishment. The problem is what does the law state? Nothing is ironclad just look at the loopholes that are exploited everyday. First of all extrediting people who are remotely affiliated? I bet you could easily find large corporation that are on the same server that a company used for moving pirated goods. Should they be charged with piracy? This wave of anti-piracy is a desperate ploy to re introduce money into a failing economy. They know they're targetting a huge demographic filled with people who can pay a ridiculous bail. Megauplaod was a private highway w/ tollways. Smugglers used the highway and bought an express toll so they wouldn't have to wait. The government seized the toll owner and shut down the highway, but in doing so they shut down thousands, millions of people from using that highway. Now they have records of all those people who used that highway(illegally or legally) and to them those records are dollar signs.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 07:51 PM
I feel like if the government wanted more money they could just raise taxes or cut down on spending. I don't think enforcing laws is some huge scheme to get more money.
There may be something pushing them to start enforcing more but I don't think it's money (in this case). The fees are huge for they can't be that significant for the government.
To what extent are these foreigners affiliated with the piracy and management of the site? I haven't read too many news articles on it.
There may be something pushing them to start enforcing more but I don't think it's money (in this case). The fees are huge for they can't be that significant for the government.
To what extent are these foreigners affiliated with the piracy and management of the site? I haven't read too many news articles on it.
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This is obamas last chance to try and fix us economic problems before we elect a new president.
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FuryDarkAssassin, on 11 February 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:
This is obamas last chance to try and fix us economic problems before we elect a new president.
How can this fix economic problems? I feel like even if they charged people who were downloading or uploading stuff illegally, the main purpose behind that wouldn't be to raise money but to scare others.
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Techie, on 12 February 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:
Wait what? How can this fix economic problems? I feel like even if they charged people who were downloading or uploading stuff illegally, the main purpose behind that wouldn't be to raise money but to scare others.
How can this fix economic problems? I feel like even if they charged people who were downloading or uploading stuff illegally, the main purpose behind that wouldn't be to raise money but to scare others.1.5 mil for downloading 12 songs and she was a single mother... 1.5 mil would help economy debt out
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:11 PM
FuryDarkAssassin, on 13 February 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:
1.5 mil for downloading 12 songs and she was a single mother... 1.5 mil would help economy debt out
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:39 PM
Techie, on 21 January 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:
Jamie Thomas shouldn't have downloaded the 24 songs illegally. People know that when they do stuff like this there's the risk that they'll get caught. If nobody is ever charged people will think that copyright laws are just a joke that doesn't get enforced.
The guy in the video assumes that all "25%" of people who have used MegaUpload have used it to download pirated software. What does that tell me? That tells me than 99% of the content on MegaUpload must have been copyrighted content that was being distributed illegally.
He also assumes that people who bought the premium sibscriptions must have been downloading pirated content. I say, if they were, excellent! It gives the government a great way to find them and charge them!
If the government took this great opportunity to find people and charge them, that anti-piracy message would spread very quickly and people would stop downloading illegally!
I stopped watching a 4 minutes
Ok so here's what I see happening: People are using their emotions to justify why they shouldn't be tracked down if they share or download pirated content. When people say, "But I'm just a college student" or "I'm a single mom" they're trying to appeal to people's emotions to justify whey they should be exempt from these laws.
The government is using reason to justify tracking people down and making them pay for their damages. There's a law --> A person breaks it ---> Therefore they should be punished.
It's all about emotion vs reason. What's the better way of knowing?
The emotion vs reason thing is the same concept behind debating whether women should be drafted into war, et cetera.
The guy in the video assumes that all "25%" of people who have used MegaUpload have used it to download pirated software. What does that tell me? That tells me than 99% of the content on MegaUpload must have been copyrighted content that was being distributed illegally.
He also assumes that people who bought the premium sibscriptions must have been downloading pirated content. I say, if they were, excellent! It gives the government a great way to find them and charge them!
If the government took this great opportunity to find people and charge them, that anti-piracy message would spread very quickly and people would stop downloading illegally!
I stopped watching a 4 minutes
Ok so here's what I see happening: People are using their emotions to justify why they shouldn't be tracked down if they share or download pirated content. When people say, "But I'm just a college student" or "I'm a single mom" they're trying to appeal to people's emotions to justify whey they should be exempt from these laws.
The government is using reason to justify tracking people down and making them pay for their damages. There's a law --> A person breaks it ---> Therefore they should be punished.
It's all about emotion vs reason. What's the better way of knowing?
The emotion vs reason thing is the same concept behind debating whether women should be drafted into war, et cetera.
Ok its illegal, so what? Why charge 1.5 milliion? How much is a song? $1-2? Mulitpy that by 24 and that's $48. I'm sure no more than $1k is more than fair. But 1.5 million is ridiculous. How is she supposed to pay that off? I doubt that she will ever be able to even if she puts every single penny she ever earns.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:51 PM
Well look at speeding tickets. They're not that, much, so people speed and then pay them.
If each speeding ticket was half a million dollars or more and your car got towed if you didn't pay it, then people would absolutely stop speeding. Right?
If each speeding ticket was half a million dollars or more and your car got towed if you didn't pay it, then people would absolutely stop speeding. Right?
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Techie, on 21 February 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:
Well look at speeding tickets. They're not that, much, so people speed and then pay them.
If each speeding ticket was half a million dollars or more and your car got towed if you didn't pay it, then people would absolutely stop speeding. Right?
If each speeding ticket was half a million dollars or more and your car got towed if you didn't pay it, then people would absolutely stop speeding. Right?
Yes and they would also stop driving.
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Techie, on 21 February 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:
Well look at speeding tickets. They're not that, much, so people speed and then pay them.
If each speeding ticket was half a million dollars or more and your car got towed if you didn't pay it, then people would absolutely stop speeding. Right?
If each speeding ticket was half a million dollars or more and your car got towed if you didn't pay it, then people would absolutely stop speeding. Right?
Some people would just stop driving.
Some people would go on strike.
Some people would stop speeding.
Do you see the flaw there? I created 4 likely scenarios only one of them is favorable, but the it's much more likely it'd split into all 4. So by doing this you'd be only applying to ~25% of the population. Laws are made to protect the people who will follow them. It's the scenario that criminals are the one with guns so what's the pointing of banning it for the ones who aren't criminals?
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On a side note, is pirating movies actively monitored and enforced or are there just a few of these cases? Does anyone know?
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